Nope, illegals do pay taxes, there is plenty of information out there for those that wish to investigate the FACTS and become informed. From one of many articles available: Illegal immigrants are paying taxes to Uncle Sam, experts agree. Just how much they pay is hard to determine because the federal government doesn't fully tally it. But the latest figures available (2008) indicate it will amount to billions of dollars in federal income, Social Security and Medicare taxes this year. One rough estimate puts the amount of Social Security taxes alone at around $9 billion per year (and yet they do not reap the benefits of Soc.Sec or Medicare). Paycheck withholding collects much of the federal tax from illegal workers, just as it does for legal workers.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2008-04-10-immigrantstaxes_N.htm

In addition, if an illegal is renting they are paying property taxes via their rent. When they spending money in our economy at stores, on gas, etc. etc., they are paying taxes. Just wanted to clear up the "illegals don't pay taxes" meme. It's simply not true.

Yes illegals pay taxes but nothing near what they cost the taxpayers. They don't pay enough in taxes to cover the English language classes in our public schools. Net cost of illegal aliens is over $1.6 BILLION per year in Maryland alone.

Skippy, any links to that data besides FAIR (cough, cough)? They are on the Southern Poverty Law Center's hate group list. Like I stated before, in the past they have gotten funding from white supremacist groups. I'll be waiting for a link to your numbers from a reputable source.

Illegals who are working here either do it under the table (100% tax free) and some steal identity (claim tax exempt on the W2 or file 8 dependants). It is against federal law to knowingly hire illegals.
Paying property taxes by paying rent is a farce. The owner of the property has the pay the taxes even if the place is vacant.

The only thing illegals pay is sales tax.

In the meantime they get free medical care, free schooling (K-12), and free social services. According to the U.S. Government Accountability Office illegals are costing American taxpayers sizeable amounts of money.

Bythec, dido you know a Jewish guy, Dan Stein, is the president of FAIR? How about Frank Morris, who is black and sits on the board of Directors at FAIR? So much for your lie about them being involved with white supremacist cult. Jews and blacks running a white supremacist cult! You are good for a laugh a minute.

Read about Morris Dee's Southern Poverty Law Center in the article "Church of Morris Dees" in Harper Magazine. The SPLC has crawled in bed with the subversive La Raza open borders network to attack those who support United States immigration laws. By sharing a common opponent, both can profit from joining forces on the attack against good Americans who are concerned about the future.

Bill: You are correct in that the governor does not do a good job of lying: no one can hold a candle to the tea party and their minions. Ever watch Fox where they just make stuff up?

He should be recalled

Proud: You are correct about Faux News. A University of Maryland study finds that viewers of Grandpa's Old Propaganda network are most misinformed: http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/17/fox-news-viewers-believe-the-darndest-things-study-finds/
Personally, I wouldn't trust a news network whose second largest shareholder is Prince Alwaleed bin Talal al-Saud of Saudi Arabia. Why are they interested in American Politics?

Does it say file a tax return or pay taxes? But that's irrelevant. They're illegals. Instead of benefits, they should face deportation. With this act, the Democrat Party of Maryland has become the party of crime.

Bill, better include the entire Goper party in your crime syndicate conspiracy theory who failed to protect our borders the day after 9/11, instead they went searching for fake WMDs spending trillions in another country when it should have been our own. Meanwhile, the Teapublicans in Texas were planning a superhighway straight out of Mexico coming into the U.S. called the Trans-Texas Corridor. In addition, one of the TX Teapublicans is trying to pass a bill stating it's OK to be illegal if you're a landscaper, nanny or housekeeper. Let's start with the Teapublicans on the border allowing such nonsense. BTW, where are you going to get the billions it will cost for deportation that has gone unaddressed for at least a decade (except for 187% St. Raygun who granted them all amnesty). I though teapublicans were for lazy/inept government and cutting the spending.
Texas immigration bill has big exception (brought to you by the Teapublican Party)
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/01/texas.immigration.bill/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn
Trans Texas Corridor-look at the map (brought to you by the teapublican party)
http://transtexascorridor.blogspot.com/

What part of illegal can't you understand lib?

Bythec: Stewart said the same thing and he retracted his statement. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/20/jon-stewart/jon-stewart-says-those-who-watch-fox-news-are-most/
Nice try!

BytheC must have ADD as his whole arguments are based on blaming Fox News and George Bush rather than by debating the facts.

Harry Ball, better start reading your own links:
The way Stewart PHRASED the comment, it’s not enough to show a sliver of evidence that Fox News’ audience is ill-informed. The evidence needs to support the view that the data shows they are "consistently" misinformed -- a TERM he used not once but three times. It’s simply not true that "every poll" shows that result. So we rate his claim False.

Doesn't really matter, Murdoch Crime Syndicate "News (cough,cough) Network a.k.a Grandpa's Old Propaganda network won't be here long.

Must not have read these parts: "...35 percent of Fox viewers earned a high knowledge rating, which was tied with local television news and was one point ahead of the network morning shows...".

"...Fox’s 35 percent score places it exactly at the national average..."

Source: Factcheck (who leans to the LEFT).

Do I have to spoonfeed you everything?

Delusional thinking on your part bytheC to believe a news network that has higher ratings than all the others put together "won't be here long".

Americans are going to have to face the fact that this country is changing. New census data affirms that whites will soon be the minority. Knowing two languages, a.k.a being bilingual, is a good thing, it's called education. Thank goodness we did not get a Teapublican Governor. All the jobs-killing (R) Governor's polls are showing that this country is having buyer's remorse (thousands protesting in the streets and recalls abound). The worst is medicare fraud criminal, Rick Scott of Florida, with an approval rating of 29%. Gov. Perry of Texas has one of the worst deficits in the country (27 billion). He, btw, used stimulus to plug 97%!!! of his state's budget! Texas has even gone as far as to fire an entire city of police. No thank you to the folks that want this type of slash and burn crowd, Maryland will take a pass.

Now it gets interesting. bytheC has told a blatant lie here. The majority of stimulus money was given to blue states. California has almost twice the budget deficit that Texas does. I'm not going to check his other statements because once you are caught lying your word is finished unless you provide reliable links.

John, got a non partisian link for those numbers you are throwing out? I'm interested in reviewing the facts. Any information by FAIR is unacceptable. Southern Poverty Law Center lists them as a hate group with links to white supremacist funding in the past. Thanks.

All the Casa ilk can throw out there are emotional pleas for sympathy. They don't want anyone to see the actual numbers.

GAO shows that we spend more on illegals than we receive.

countyvoter: and 93% of the entire Maryland population that voted in the last election did not sign the petition against the Dream Act. So what is your point? Do you think 7% of the population should decide our laws?

Your absolutely correct Ann, the Governor is nothing more than a LBJ Shill Type who enjoys his welfare state while holding the rest of us accountable for this atrocity of law breaking criminals.

Recall!

Nope, FAIR is not a reputable source. Much of what FAIR counts as the cost of unauthorized immigration is actually the cost of education and healthcare for U.S. Citizen children. In fact, over half of FAIR’s cost estimate consists of educational and healthcare expenditures for children who are native-born U.S. citizens. I'll be waiting for a reputable link, and waiting.......

No, they are counting anchor babies. They should be counted as illegal.

Pam: If you are referring to children born in the US as "anchor babies" you need to know that these babies are US citizens. It’s in the very Constitution you people love to refer to at every opportunity..

Arguing on the internet, especially with a liberal, is like wrestling in the mud with a pig. Both of you get dirty, but the pig likes it. At least I have the balls (or ovaries, as the case may be) to use my own name. Chickens.

Pam: You are still wrong.

Pinky: As is typical of you people, you are ignorant of your own organization (as well as government, economics, history, etc.). On January 19, 2009, Graham Makohoniuk, a part-time trader and a member of Ticker Forum, posted a casual invitation on the market-ticker.org forums to “Mail a tea bag to congress and to senate. “
The TEA BAG PARTY wrote: “Please tell your friends and neighbors about the Tea Bag Protest Party. Today! This is a grass roots movement that relies on your participation for success. After you send your tea bag protest letter please register your protest here. This step is completely optional, but will help to ensure that your message is not ignored by Washington and the Media. For each individual tea bag protest that is registered here, we will also add another tea bag of our own to a large bundle of them that will be used for a public protest ceremony in the near future. The information that you provide will be compiled to demonstrate the scope of this grass roots movement.TeaBagParty.org was conceived by a small business person who has been working day and night to keep the business running and people employed for the past 7 years.”
So if you do not like to be called a tea bagger, complain to the folks who started your party.

lol proud.. even if there true.lol

Hey lib... gotta lay off the feces man, it's democrating your brain. We attend the tea party protests and they are very cordial, warm and respefectfully held. The fact that you refer to us as some preverse term... coined by your gutterminded group, is childish, but on par. Move on dude, you are so concerned about freedoms but when we exercise ours you result to namecalling. I look forward to hearing one of you call my wife a "teabagger" : ) ... LOL... you know what sneakin is? I'll sneak' em. Be careful with your name calling and change your diet.

When you give a liberal the facts it confuses them...

Amdactivist: Racist’s attacks are those that appeal to emotion by over generalizing about a group (e.g., all Latinos scam welfare with fake and stolen id) to frighten people with dire consequences. Racism is the belief that certain people have inherent traits and that it is justifiable to treat all in that group differently.

I feel the following statements could be considered racist. “I Believe that Americans...REAL Americans…´ “They pay very little taxes because they claim many dependants. Most pay nothing.. yet most are on welfare and work our jobs and they vote!! Corruptness at its fullest…..” “Identity inc and many others who cater to the criminal activities of Illegal aliens and our own leaders” “New americans who scam welfare with fake and stolen id, work our jobs and vote.”

Moreover, an "argumentum ad nauseum" is one that employs constant repetition in asserting a truth. In the text book of propaganda which is followed by the tea party, it states “The art of propaganda consists precisely in being able to awaken the imagination of the public through an appeal to their feelings, in finding the appropriate psychological form that will arrest the attention and appeal to the hearts of the national masses.”

Proud, the Southern Strategy has worked on the Teapublican minions for years. You can send their kids off to an illegal, unnecessary and privatized/overpriced war, let the banks/healthcare/oil industries price gouge them into oblivion, allow Wall St. to cut their 401K savings in half, borrow money from China to hand out welfare to the rich in hopes that "some day" the jobs will trickle down, then threaten to put their Soc Sec & Medicare at greater privatizing risk, and STILL get a teapublican to believe that their hardworking neighbors and brown people are the problem.

Illegals are illegal, they are not a race but the race baiting racist try to turn it racial to get the effect Alfredo Gutierrez did. The race card is revoked as it has been used too many times.

Well said Pam. If you reward a crime you are just asking for more of the same crime.

amdactivist: What quote was mistaken? I copy and pasted from your posts. Don't you remember what you wrote? You are a tea bag republican and I don't expect you to be fair or rational. Your ilk is so full of hate and vitriol that you can’t see the forest for the trees. It is what leads you to statements that I feel could be considered racist. Please explain how any of the statements I quoted from your posts (remember they are still there) are not racist. Who then is the liar and fool?

A liberal trying the race card again. How pathetic!

Merrill: Ever hear of Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) from the IRS. An Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) is a tax processing number issued by the Internal Revenue Service. It is a nine-digit number that always begins with the number 9 and has a 7 or 8 in the fourth digit, example 9XX-7X-XXXX.

IRS issues ITINs to individuals who are required to have a U.S. taxpayer identification number but who do not have, and are not eligible to obtain a Social Security Number (SSN) from the Social Security Administration (SSA).

ITINs are issued regardless of immigration status because both resident and nonresident aliens may have U.S. tax return and payment responsibilities under the Internal Revenue Code.

Individuals must have a filing requirement and file a valid federal income tax return to receive an ITIN, unless they meet an exception.

This is how "illegals" pay taxes and most do.

ITIN are issued for immigrant workers who got a permit and are working here legally. By federal law illegal aliens can not work in the US legally so they work under the table or steal someone's SSN. When they steal a SSN number their W2 is filed exempt or has a bunch of dependants.

amdactivist: You stated "...7% of the entire Maryland population that voted in the last election signed the petition...". I stated therefore 93% must have voted for the law. Those are your figures, not mine. But I understand you - change the argument.

Proud, this law was NEVER voted on but it will be. Illegals will lose by a landslide.

amdactivist: You know this because...? I will not accept anything from Fox. If you think I look "funny" I will accept that as a compliment.

CASA workers is my bet.

Betty: You are mistaken about taxes and the need to have a social security number. As I stated before: “Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) from the IRS. An Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) is a tax processing number issued by the Internal Revenue Service. IRS issues ITINs to individuals who are required to have a U.S. taxpayer identification number but who do not have, and are not eligible to obtain a Social Security Number (SSN) from the Social Security Administration (SSA).” They use this to pay taxes and most do.

As far as: “I have had enough of handouts for nondeserving people… Unless the advocates of this Dream Act are ready to support their elders in their old age, I suggest you begin thinking about how and where benefits are extended.” When the Republicans stop HUGE tax handouts to billionaires and oil big business, I will take that compliant seriously. As a senior citizen I only have one thing to say to the Tea Party/GOP: hands off my social security and Medicare! It is the GOP that wants to hang you out to dry so that their rich masters can continue their rape of the middleclass (that is you and me Betty).

Pam: I do not accept any information from FAIR as fair. They are a right wing extremist group that obviously does not understand the 14th amendment as apparently you do not.

The answer to illegal immigration is to make it easier for them to become legal immigrants. However, I do not think you would want brown people to immigrate to the US even as your valued big businesses exploit them for cheap labor and Wal-mart cheap prices. If you wish to end illegal immigration, boycott the businesses that use them.

So let’s just leave this to the voters in a referendum in 2012. I feel confident that Maryland will see the fairness of allowing these children (who do not have a choice of where they live), educated in our schools with taxpaying parents to receive in-state tuition. That is, after all, only fair.

ITIN are issued for immigrant workers who got a permit and are working here legally. By federal law illegal aliens can not work in the US legally so they work under the table or steal someone's SSN. When they steal a SSN number their W2 is filed exempt or has a bunch of dependants.

Do you know a Jewish guy, Dan Stein, is the president of FAIR? How about Frank Morris, who is black and sits on the board of Directors at FAIR? So much for your lie about them being a white supremacist cult. Jews and blacks running a white supremacist cult! You are good for a laugh a minute.
Read about Morris Dee's Southern Poverty Law Center in the article "Church of Morris Dees" in Harper Magazine. The SPLC has crawled in bed with the subversive La Raza open borders network to attack those who support United States immigration laws. By sharing a common opponent, both can profit from joining forces on the attack against good Americans who are concerned about the future.

Pam is an example of someone who cannot mount a cogent argument and reverts to grade school name calling in lieu of a rational thought. She is still wrong!

I have stated my very rational position earlier in the comments. I will stand by it in any face to face discussion. Obviously Proud to be liberal is not proud enough of his/her opinions to use his/her own name.
How am I wrong? FAIR is counting anchor babies. They are part of illegal immigration stats. The government counts them as part of the cost of illegal immigration. Citizen or not, they cost us.
If even one LEGAL citizen is denied a seat in a Maryland classroom due to an ILLEGAL taking it, taxes or not, then this bad law is an abject failure. The voters will decide in the referendum.

If they want to live in the US they should do it legally otherwise they are just nothing but criminals.

Any valid data from those that support illegal immigrants? Or just "it will make things nicer!" rhetoric?

See my above posts on FAIR and the SPLC.

A post calling Tanton a cult for trying to stop illegal immigration is quite funny! The puppetmasters are the ones who are trying to give illegal aliens amnesty when the far majority of legal Americans oppose that. You can try but every couple of weeks another state passes a law to make illegal aliens illegal.

I guess you are idiot because you project things without knowing me. Nice try on the attempted character assassination loser! LOL!!

Petitions sure did work out good enough to stop the nightmare act. I'm sure the same people who signed them would be interested in doing a recall petition. ;-)

You are the one trying to spin FAIR in a negative light in order to promote illegal aliens. No one is biting.

You must have had a hard time in your "English as a Second Language" course.

Texas=$13.4 billion, California=$25.4 billion. Notice that the blue states are the ones who are having most of the problems despite getting most of the "stimulus" money. : http://www.stateline.org/live/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=136&languageId=1&contentId=15158

You are a laugh a second bytheC! Your Democraticactionteam.org link is an "Obama in 2008 site"! Do you actually call that a source?

OMG! Your Perry link says: "Texas, which crafts a budget every two years, was facing a $6.6 billion shortfall for its 2010-2011 fiscal years."

Here is a link from the liberal New York Times Federal for the states receiving the most welfare. bythec caught in another lie as it is blue states that are getting most of the welfare. California ranks number 1 in welfare at 1,216, 866 recipients followed by New York at number 2 at 391,110 recipients. When you add those two together they account for more welfare than the other 57 states, opps I mean other 48 states combined.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/01/25/us/20090126-welfare-table.html

Never watched Beck but it sounds like he has some common sense if he goes against your views. The far majority of people want illegal aliens deported. Why do you think Obama is no longer supporting illegal immigration?

Do you know all your "welfare state" info is from 2005? Old info does not cut it as the economy was doing great at that time and Obama has drastically changed things.
BTW use proper terminology next time as I posted the actual amount of people who were getting welfare by state (of course it was the blue states who were number 1 in giving handouts to the lazy).
If Obama is that intent on following federal law, when it comes to deporting illegals, than why have numerous states been forced to enact their own illegal immigration enforcement laws? Why wasn’t the border sealed? Why aren’t ALL illegal immigrants deported? Why did the Democrats try to get the Dream Act approved in the last session and why did Obama support it?

I'll give you a nice easy link to follow concerning the budget deficit for states. Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. They are the authority for budget reporting. It shows without a doubt that blue states have the highest deficit. California ALWAYS has the highest budget deficit since 2009 and projected the highest through 2012. When you add the top 5 blue states together it adds up for more of a budget deficit then ALL of THE OTHER 45 states!
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=711
Here is a link on which states get the most stimulus money (blue states of course): http://www.recovery.gov/pages/textview.aspx?data=recipientHomeMap
Good laugh on you Fox comment. Guess you have to just deal with Fox having more viewers than all the other news stations combined. LOL!!!

Harry, someone doesn't know how to do math. Why do red states (lazy handout recipients) receiving more federal government money during good economic times make sense to you? They should be receiving less not more. You still haven't addressed per capita on your little chart. If teapublicans are so worried about immigration why wasn't the border sealed the day of 9/11 instead of funneling our resources into a country on lies of WMD's? This problem didn't just start, it's been at least a decade, try and keep up.

bytheC, if you are not intelligent enough to interpret the data than that is your problem. My links are valid, non-partisan, and either government agencies or agencies that report to the government. These links have proved that you are a liar.

2005 info...

Harry, your right 2005 info during the bush years.

Merril, Who said I supported illegals? I do support finding solutions to our problems, unlike the Know Nothing "Irish Need Not Apply" clowns posting her on the Patch. 187% St. Ronnie gave them all amnesty you know. Here's (R) Gov. Haley Barbour of Mississippi saying anyone that graduates from college should be given U.S. Citizenship:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF9AkCFqbxU&feature=player_embedded

According to a State Department filing by Barbour’s former lobbying firm, The Embassy of Mexico decided to retain Barbour’s services on August 15, 2001, to work on, among other things, legislation that would provide a path to citizenship for foreigners living illegally in the United States—what opponents of immigration reform call “amnesty.”

Since then he is on record stating: "One reason I’ve been successful as Governor is that I’m plain-spoken and use common sense. I tell people what I think, not what I think they want to hear. Before there can be immigration reform, we must secure our borders. Only after that can any reforms be achieved, and those can’t include amnesty. Everybody knows we are not going to put ten or twelve million people in jail and deport them. Once the border is secure, we should develop a responsible guest-worker program and it can’t include amnesty."

Merrill: Wow someone is Apoplectic! You know why this is a great country? “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”

Ellie: He who laughs last, laughs best.