From the time Sandra Fluke requested to go before Congress to speak on women's healthcare issues and how a mandate required employers to offer contraception as part of their insurance options, Rush Limbaugh has had her in his radar.
Ms. Fluke never got to speak before the full Congress because a special committee of all men was formed to discuss women's healthcare issues. Yes, that's right, an all-male panel that would not allow a woman to be part of discussions. Ms. Fluke did testify in front of a Democratic subcommittee. The full testimony can be viewed here. In her testimony Ms. Fluke spoke of her Jesuit college student healthcare program not covering birth control pills and the costs in money and other health issues for which the medications are also used, for herself and many friends.
In her testimony she said:
"In the media lately, conservative Catholic organizations have been asking: what did we expect when we enrolled at a Catholic school? We can only answer that we expected women to be treated equally, to not have our school create untenable burdens that impede our academic success. We expected that our schools would live up to the Jesuit creed of cura personalis, to care for the whole person, by meeting all of our medical needs. We expected that when we told our universities of the problems this policy created for students, they would help us. We expected that when 94% of students opposed the policy, the university would respect our choices regarding insurance students pay for completely unsubsidized by the university. We did not expect that women would be told in the national media that if we wanted comprehensive insurance that met our needs, not just those of men, we should have gone to school elsewhere, even if that meant a less prestigious university. We refuse to pick between a quality education and our health, and weresent that, in the 21st century, anyone thinks it’s acceptable to ask us to make this choice simply because we are women."
Since her testimony Rush Limbaugh has been unmerciful in his criticizing of Ms. Fluke. He has continued to falsely assert that the government should not be paying for Ms. Fluke's medication and confusing this issue with the larger "Obamacare" issue. For days on end Limbaugh went on about Ms. Fluke, calling her a "prostitute," "promiscuous," and other slurs and saying she should post sex videos online for everyone to watch since "we" are paying for her to have sex.
The majority of the public recoiled in disgust at Limbaugh's comments and as he continued to pound these points over and over. He issued a weak apology over the weekend in which he continued on a long partisan rant, continuing to misstake we are paying for these medications and taking jabs at the Obama administration.
It didn't end there. On Monday, it became obvious how sorry Limbaugh really is as he continued to make jokes and grandstand about the issue.
"Against my own instincts, against my own knowledge, against everything I know to be right and wrong, I descended to their level when I used those two words to describe Sandra Fluke," he said.
"The apology to her over the weekend was sincere," he said
Limbaugh then spent an inordinate amount of time Monday attempting to put his past ridicule of Fluke into political perspective. In doing so, he dismissed her as "a 30-year-old birth control activist" who gave "unverified and inexpert testimony about how Georgetown's long-standing and public policy has hurt her unnamed friends."
"If you know the place doesn't offer contraceptives when you sign up, and that is your big political issue, then why are you really there?" Limbaugh asked. "They are intentionally targeting schools like Georgetown to advance an agenda of ultimately forcing them to abandon their religious beliefs." Link here
The public and sponsors of the Rush Limbaugh show have started to take action. As of the close of business on Monday, March 5, at least 12 sponsors have pulled their advertising from Limbaugh's show. At least one radio station has stopped airing the show completely.
Some conservative pundits ask why is it different for Limbaugh to say these things, when commedians such as Bill Maher have said things about Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman using foul language. The difference is Bill Maher, a commedian and known independent, is on HBO, a pay network. There are no sponsors and no airing of his shows over the public airwaves. Rush Limbaugh is a well-known, highly rated conservative political commentator who has considerable influence over the Republican base. Local stations that broadcast across public airwaves lease their signals from the FCC and are required to operate in the best interest of the community. Thus, they have a larger responsibility to see the content of their programing is not inflammatory, slanderous or defaming the character of a private citizen who happened to testify before a subcommittee.
Two GOP candidates issued statements against Limbaugh's actions, but Mitt Romney has yet to issue a statement. Old guards of the Republican party, such as Senator John McCain have made strong statements against Limbaugh. Perhaps David Frum of CNN summed it up best in his article entitled "Are we being fair to Rush Limbaugh?":
Most fundamentally, why the impulse to counter one outrageous stunt by rummaging through the archives in search of some supposedly offsetting outrageous stunt? Why not respond to an indecent act on its own terms, and then — if there's another indecency later — react to that too, and on its own terms?
Instead, public life is reduced to a revenge drama. Each offense is condoned by reference to some previous offense by some undefined "them" who supposedly once did something even worse, or anyway nearly as bad, at some point in the past.
But this latest Limbaugh outburst is so "piggish," to borrow a word from Peggy Noonan, as to overwhelm the revenge drama. (On Saturday, Limbaugh apologized "for the insulting word choices.")
It is the bottom of the barrel of shock talk.
And the good news is that from the bottom of the barrel, there is nowhere to go but up.
franking
2:15 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
His word choices were wrong, but his other error was taking a cheap Democrat dog and pony show and giving it real national voice.
I don't listen to Rush, but I also don't listen to Bill Maher, who calls women much worse names (like the "c" word), or David Letterman who has used horrible terms to describe Palin and two of her children, or to the "ladies" of the view who used the "B" word on Sharon Angle while declaring she was going to hell. I prefer to recoil in disgust of ALL the rhetorical lack of civility and live with some consistency in my life that I'm not seeing in many of those hot mad about this.
Mark
5:27 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Exactly, while Limbaugh gets 24/7 coverage for the last week Bill Mahr and his other Lib cohorts get a passing comment on the news if reported at all.
Susan Smith
5:54 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
I am a bit confused about all the hub-bub. Ed Schultz of MSNBC called Laura Ingraham a slut last year&he never apologized, nor did she get a call from POTUS. Bill Maher regularly calls womens sluts, tw**s and c***s; where's the outrage? Oh, that's right he is exercising his freedom of speech. So it only works if you are a leftist. I don't listen to Rush, but he has just as much right to say what he did as Schultz and Maher did when they called women those names. No one put a gun to her head and MADE her enroll at Georgetown. It didn't just turn into a Catholic institution overnight. Say what you will about the surveys showing 98% of all Catholic women have used birth control. It really it doesn't matter,it's Catholic Doctrine& is not up for referendum.The fact remains that using artificial birth control is against Catholic Doctrine. As for Ms. Fluke, don't try to tell me that birth control cost $3,000 for 3 years of law school.As a "reproductive rights activist" as Ms. Fluke herself has said she is, why isn't she procuring her birth control pills at her friendly neighborhood abortion clinic, oh I mean Planned Parenthood. She can get a one month's supply of b.c. pills for $9.00 a month from PP. Maybe she REALLY doesn't want to get pregnant and she takes 4 or 5 pills a day, just to be sure. Otherwise, it's just typical leftist lies.
What's next, the federals telling Muslim schools they need to serve pork at lunch to their students?I doubt it...
CB9678
8:42 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Ed Schultz was suspended for a year and Bill Maher has been fired for making those comments which is why he is no longer on a major network and has been relegated to Friday evening cable! Rush has yet to be taken off the air!
Additionally Georgetown offers BC pills in its employee benefit package just not to the students! So their Catholic doctorine is a little hypocritical!
CB9678
8:43 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Additionally Bill Maher is a comedian, a person not taken very seriously. Rush on the other hand is a self professed journalist!
Susan Smith
9:11 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
CB9678~Ok I researched it Ed Schultz was suspended by MSNBC, but for 1 week, not a year. I'd like to know where you got your information on GU providing b.c. for their employees their their employee benefits package~ I can't find any info on that...anywhere. Additionally, if that were so, I imagine Ms. Fluke, Ms. Pelosi and the media would be all over that and screaming that from the rooftops! Maher's move had more to do with his market share than being punished for his comments.
CB9678
9:32 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Sorry typo on the year.
Second my sister works their and her BC pills are covered with the same co-pay as everything else.
Third Maher's move was for his inflamatory comments about 9-11. HBO as you know is owned by Time- Warner and ABC is owned by Walt Disney. Two different companies. Time-Warner picked him up for HBO after Disney dumped him.
HarfordLassie
10:36 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
I did hear a report that GU does offer birth control in their employee plan but not in their student plan. So much for the argument about "religious" reasons.
Mark
9:00 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
oh, I didn't know if I was just kidding I can say anything I want .Next time I call someone a c$@t like Mahr I'll say don't worry about it I'm a comedian.
1ke
10:18 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Finally, somebody has ferreted out the truth: Schultz, Beck, Limbaugh, Stewart, Colbert and Maher are all comedians.
I think they are all a scream. My heart kind of goes out to Limbaugh. He is so ugly that he can only make it as a radio personality. And he has struggled with serial unstable relationships and drug addiction. But such is Hollywood.
The fan magazines say that Beck struggles with depression, but he is a trouper.
Keep laughing, folks.
Phil Dirt
11:36 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
For a good report on the double standard when it comes to insulting comments, see the story by Kirsten Powers (a liberal Democratic political analyst) at The Daily Beast.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/04/rush-limbaugh-s-apology-liberal-men-need-to-follow-suit.html
bytheC
7:51 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Yes, Limbaugh went too far asking women to post porno videos of themselves on the internet because they want their insurance companies to cover women's health care. This is the voice of the Teapublican Party!!! Limbaugh was once an Oxycotin addict and was also got caught trying to smuggle Viagra back into the country (now we understand his need for porno videos). He clearly has problems. Thankfully, radio stations and advertisers are dropping him. His "milllions of listeners" comes from Limbaugh's own PR team, those numbers are inflated and are lies just like everything else this "man" does. We all have mothers, sisters, friends, wives etc. This should not be tolerated.
Mike Blizzard
7:55 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Rush Limbaugh is not a journalist...he is a talk show host...his job is to give opinion. Maher does far worse when he gives his opinion. Rush is also an entertainer. I hate his choice of discourse but he has the right to say it. Rush also owns his own network empire so who is going to fire him? Why should someone need to get fired because you disagree with him? We give away our rights everyday...free speech as well. I don't listen to Rush because of how he chooses to make his points but I will fight for his right to do it and I will fight the double standard liberal media enjoys in this country.
CB9678
9:38 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
What Network empire does he own? he owns the show but his distributor is Priemer Communications! Bottom line is he owes this lady a real appology!
bytheC
10:12 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
CB9678, Rush is on Clear Channel. Bane Capital owns Clear Channel. That's why you didn't here Romney speaking out in a sincere way against the Teapublican Grand Poobah. Rush=Romney.
CB9678
12:06 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
It is not Romney's place to apologize for Rush Limbaughs actions. Rush is a big boy and can take care of himself. Clear Channel is a minority owner of the radio show but as I said Priemer is the distributer of the show and can cease distribution of it when and if it wants to.
j johnson (formerly jj)
8:21 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Fluke is a liberal bait that is going to Georgetown for the purpose of harassing and fighting the health care standards related to birth control, gender reassignment, abortion, etc. She has achieved her purpose now and will slowly fade in to a memory.
Lynn
8:40 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Great post, Joan.
Sorry to see so many Rush defenders here. It's a sad day when so many folks equate being Conservative with cheering for Rush's right to utter nonsense. Even when that nonsense includes crude insults of a woman because he disagrees with her politics. Saying "Bill Maher did it too" reminds me of a whiney teenager who excuses his own bad behavior by saying his buddy did it too. It's a lame excuse for a teenaged brat, and it's a lame excuse for Rush. Can't we all learn to express our political disagreements with some common respect?
Phil Dirt
10:55 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
It's not so much the fact that "Bill Maher did it too", it's the fact that when it's from the left (as it often is), there is no outcry. Tell me, did you express outrage over any of the examples in the story I linked to above or are they somehow different?
HarfordLassie
3:23 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
see below Phil
bytheC
9:34 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Keep the pressure on. He will be reduced to selling overpriced gold coins to his gullible minions like the loon Beck.
Taxpayers shouldn't be paying for his toxic waste to be broadcasted on Armed Forces Radio, sign here:
http://org2.democracyinaction.org/o/6676/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=9841
Boycott Rush:
http://leftaction.com/action/boycott-rush
HarfordLassie
10:00 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Here are a few other points to add-
While Rush's supporters are pointing fingers at others who have done "the same thing or worse" there are a few other things to consider:
1) Do any of these "others" do this on a daily, continued and increasingly degrading basis day after day?
2) Are any of these on paid networks such as HBO that do not have sponsors?
3) Are any of these "others" offered over the public airwaves- local/radio and TV?
That last point is probably the most critical. When a program airs over public airwaves it is governed by FCC rules and regulations. These same rules have resulted in fines for "wardrobe malfunctions" at the Super Bowl, failure to block certain words or nudity from live programs, and ensure these local stations work in a way that serves their communities. As Michael J. Copps says in his article The Price of Free Airways"- "America lets radio and TV broadcasters use public airwaves worth more than half a trillion dollars for free. In return, we require that broadcasters serve the public interest: devoting at least some airtime for worthy programs that inform voters, support local arts and culture and educate our children....... Using the public airwaves is a privilege — a lucrative one — not a right" We all have Freedom of Speech but we are not guaranteed a daily radio show on public airwaves to speak our minds.
The public is now speaking by boycotting advertisers and the marketplace will decide Rush's fate.
Phil Dirt
10:59 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
You didn't read Kirsten Powers' article, did you? I find it insulting how you can explain away all of the insults from the left but are outraged over this. It's too bad that respect and support for women from women often only extends to liberal women, and liberal men get a free pass (recall NOW's comments on Clinton/Lewinsky). How progressive of you.
Karl Schuub
10:36 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Spin it any way you want Joan...it's clearly a double standard being applied here. The left once again has sent out it's lock step minions to silence those with whom they disagree. What a scary world we'd have if you folks had your way...and to think how foolish to think if you silence you have some guarantee everyone will eventually buy into liberal insanity. We get it, we understand and no we won't buy into it. Nothing more ironic than those that always scream about their freedoms once again proving they are the least "free". Bottom line and at the end of the day; the taxpayers should not be forced to pay for this woman's lifestyle choices - she can afford to buy her own condoms, either that or shut her legs.
HarfordLassie
11:10 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
But Karl, the government is NOT paying for this. That's another lie that continues to be spreading, and Rush continues to say. It's just not fact. She pays premiums for her insurance and it is not subsidized in any way. Why should company decide what her health care options are, especially when they offer it for employees but not for students? Seems like the company itself operates on a double standard.
Just as free speech should be honored, so should the access to equal healthcare options for men and women. Companies should not be making healthcare decisions for those that participate in their plans. You don't hear Rush talking about Viagra being covered by insurance and Viagra only treats one condition, not a multitude like women's birth control pills.
People are confusing the national healthcare plan with this separate mandate that non-religious companies cannot deny coverage for a commonly used medication by a majority of women in this country through the group insurance policies offered to their employees/students.
bytheC
11:05 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
You can tell who the zombie rush supporters are that are filled with women h8. They still don't get that we PAY for health insurance. Evidently they haven't read Fluke's testimony and have no idea that birth control is used for other matters of women's health care. In this case to prevent ovarian cysts. Another reason to boycott rush for disinformation and propaganda. The minions are unable to think, read and learn for themselves. They let rush spoon feed them without looking at a single fact. Women will not be silenced. That's one FACT you can count on.
Karl Schuub
11:14 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Speaking of zombies. Let's not pretend this has anything to do with ovarian cysts. We are 15 trillion dollars in debt and there are real women's health issues like breast cancer research, uterine cancers, etc., where these monies would be misappropriated via Obamacare. How many forms of "free" contraception should there be - what happened to Planned Parenthood. Didn't we just go through this whole phoney argument that they were about contraception not abortion...let's send Ms. Fluke over there or is that too hard for her?
HarfordLassie
11:21 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Karl, you're not listening and understanding. "We" are not paying for her healthcare. Her unsubsidized insurance premiums that she pays out of her own pocket pay for healthcare insurance.
j johnson (formerly jj)
11:37 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Joan, if you are paying into an insurance plan that is being required by the government to pay for this service, then you are paying for it and forced to pay since the gov't required it. If she is not under a private plan then she is covered by a plan supported by the government which will eventually be required to cover it also. In the end, we are all paying for it.
If the government makes it a requirement, you have no choice to join a plan that does or does not offer it. If there is no choice, then all must pay either directly or indirectly.
HarfordLassie
11:38 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
She IS on a private plan!!
j johnson (formerly jj)
3:06 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Which means everyone else on that plan is paying weather they want to or not because the governmnet is getting involved in private affairs!
bytheC
3:14 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
j johnson, it's whether, weather is rain, snow or sun. ok, I choose not to pay for other people's chemo, high blood pressure, cholesterol medicine and long hospital stays. mkay?
HarfordLassie
3:23 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
j johnson, through insurance premiums I am required to pay for many things that I may not agree with. Same goes for taxes. I'll swap what I don't like for what you don't like and we are even. Seriously, that's a strawman argument. We all pay for things we don't like.
Karl Schuub
11:32 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Two main issues here - allowing the churches to continue to operate in a consistent manner to their core beliefs and the natzi-like tendencies of the left. That's it in a nutshell.
HarfordLassie
11:36 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Karl, churches were exempt from day one to the mandate. It NEVER affected churches.
Do you agree if an organization takes massive federal funds to operate that they should be subjected to secular laws for equality? Case in point- Catholic Charities. Over 80% of their funding comes from the federal government.
bytheC
11:48 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
LOL. If people don't agree with me I'll start calling them nazis! that'll work....no, it's juvenile. The majority of Americans don't want insurance companies deciding our health care on "moral" beliefs. They could "claim" they object to chemo, high blood pressure medicine, cholesterol medicine, etc, etc. Americans are smarter than that. Thankfully, the Senate voted down the disasterous Blunt-Rubio ammendment that would allow insurance companies to object to any kind of healthcare at their whim.
Women, pay attention to this kind of rhetoric. The rabid right doesn't want us to have the health care that we PAY for. BTW, women are the largest voting block in America. This is a losing battle for the GoOp.
Karl Schuub
11:49 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Joan...we're going in circles. You opened up a thread whereby you have a hard core belief from which you clearly will not waiver, nor did you want or expect open dialogue. Don't waste my time. We know this woman was pretty much planted...she's a long term activist. Of more concern to me is again, the natzi-like tendencies of the left. I never called to have anyone removed from the air, or threaten thier advertisers although there's a list of offensive things I've heard from a series of public figures a few of which have already been mentioned. Silencing those with whom you disagree does not change the minds of others - it only serves to solidify what we already know about the left.
HarfordLassie
11:58 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Karl, I don't see it that way at all. I see it as a deterioration of common decency and mutual respect and a level of civil discourse that is deteriorating this country.
Rush isn't the only one who has engaged in this type of "entertainment" and he is not the first to be targeted by decent people who don't want garbage on the air. Keith Olbermann and Glenn Beck were both driven off the air because of public outcry. Groups have tried to get Ellen off the air since she came out on a sitcom years ago because she's gay. Heck, just recently a pair of DJ's in LA were suspended for calling Whitney Houston a "crack ho" after she died and they are now being sent to "sensitivity" training.
Rush broadcasts on the public airwaves, as well as cable/satellite outlets. Because of that the stations that carry his show have an obligation under the law to ensure certain rules and regulations of the FCC are adhered to or they risk losing their licence to broadcast. Every show stays on the air because of one reason- advertisers. Without advertisers shows and stations cease to exist. That's the free market and capitalism in action. Supply and demand.
Rush is more than entitled to his "opinion" and I will fight for his right to have them and express them, but he's not entitled to airtime on the public airwaves or his own "facts".
j johnson (formerly jj)
11:50 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Joan, if you are going to cite numbers or statistics please cite the source. Otherwise there is no validity to the numbers and thus makes your argument . My quick check of CCUSA's website looks like your number is high. And most of that gov money is through partnerships to run programs that the gov has contracted out (ex. housing).
HarfordLassie
12:35 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Government revenue- 67% in 2009
http://www.catholiccharitiesusa.org/Document.Doc?id=1924
j johnson (formerly jj)
3:10 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
CCUSA is not the on CC org. Each diocese has its own org. Some are taking no fed money and are not included in teh CCUSA numbers. 67 is considerably lower than 80.
HarfordLassie
3:21 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
If they get $100 from the feds or thousands makes no difference. The churches can't have it both ways.
franking
12:06 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
What other drugs are mandated at the fed level to be covered at 100%? Isn’t this a really telling meme of the left’s priorities and their opinion of the true value of women? Her blood pressure, heart arrhythmia medication or chemotherapy can have a co-pay, just as long at she can get free bc pills so she is kept do’able for the fellas while still able to kick at the moon without kicking the bucket.
I can disagree with the article and point out the hypocrisy without defending Rush’s crass words. It should also be noted that this is just a smoke and mirrors manufactured issue to keep the attention off the atrocious state of the union under this failed president. The real issue is this. The federal government has its nose in every aspect of our lives, and they should not! Federal mandates take away liberty and choices.
But naturally, they don't want to talk about things like the economy in this election year.
CB9678
12:16 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
So who manufactured it? After all the individual who called this women a prostitute was Rush Limbaugh. Did he manufacture the issue?
HarfordLassie
12:33 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Who said it had to be covered 100%??????????
bytheC
12:46 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Healthcare that we PAY for is tyranny! You better give your advice about the federal government keeping it's nose out of our business to the Teapublican
Governors who are making government small enough to: fit in a urine cup (Florida, mandating some residents be drug tested, turns out it was a huge fail at the taxpayer's expense), or the state mandated r*pe (VA and others), or the voter suppression laws (poll tax) in the South. The failed former president you speak of is in Texas, where he belongs. We'll be cleaning up for a decade after that debacle. Jobs are coming back, manufacturing is coming back, the right has nothing else to do than to jump on the social issues wagon. It's laughable, they have no answers, it's the same old rhetoric they've been spewing for years. Their failed policies didn't work during the former President's "Lost Decade" and they won't work now.
Karl Schuub
12:43 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Glad that Joan does not believe that Rush Limbaugh deserves any public airtime. She gets to her natzi-like stance by weaving this idea of the FCC and that she'd like it to act as an arbiter of what deserves to be allowed on public airwaves. The very idea that'd we'd assign an arm of the government to approve what's appropriate for public discourse and that Joan and others like her think this is OK should alarm all of us. Of further alarm is the fact that they even believe that's a good idea and vote accordingly is equally as disturbing. Yikes is about all I can say.
HarfordLassie
12:50 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Communications Act of 1934
In 1934 Congress passed the Communications Act, which abolished the Federal Radio Commission and transferred jurisdiction over radio licensing to a new Federal Communications Commission, including in it also the telecommunications jurisdiction previously handled by the Interstate Commerce Commission. Title II of the Communications Act focused on telecommunications using many concepts borrowed from railroad legislation and Title III contained provisions very similar to the Radio Act of 1927.
HarfordLassie
12:56 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
and Karl don't twist my words. I said Rush broadcasts party on "public airwaves" that are assigned by the FCC to ensure stations aren't broadcasting on the same frequencies . It's not up to me to decide whether or not he has a show anywhere. The American public decides that through tuning in and buying the products that advertise on his show. If the public abandons the products of the advertisers, Rush becomes a financial liability to the station as they pay for his programming and don't recoup the loss through advertisers. They are in business to make money.
franking
1:06 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
"Who said it had to be covered 100%??????????"
.
http://www.salon.com/2011/08/01/us_free_birth_control/
HarfordLassie
1:15 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Thank you. I stand corrected on the cost. I did further research and found this-
• Under Section 2713 of the Affordable Care Act, the Administration adopted new guidelines that will require most private health plans to cover preventive services for women without charging a co-pay starting on August 1, 2012. These preventive services include well women visits, domestic violence screening, and contraception, and all were recommended to the Secretary of Health and Human Services by the independent Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Science.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/02/10/fact-sheet-women-s-preventive-services-and-religious-institutions
Phil Dirt
2:06 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Joan, CB9678 and bytheC, there may have been outrage when others said inappropriate things about women, but where was YOUR outrage? Why is this different? (or is the answer really as obvious as it seems?)
CB9678
2:56 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
It was inappropriate. I do not listen to Imus anymore for the same reasons. This happened to be a forum on the topic. calling a young lady a prostitute on the radio who is not one is not only defamation of character and slanderous it is irresponsible journalism which Rush gets upset about constantly! Again I will not listen to Rush. He has the right to his opinion but I have the right to not listen to it and not provide him a forum for it. I am voting with my feet and I will not spend money on products that use his show to advertise at this point.
HarfordLassie
2:59 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Speaking only for myself, how do you know I didn't express outrage then in other venues? I haven't been blogging for Bel Air Patch that long and blog on other general interest topics as well. Just because this is the first I have written here on Patch doesn't mean it will be the last.
bytheC
3:22 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
You have no idea what and whom I get outraged at. I find it extremely amusing that the ones beating this drum: 1. Forget that women are the spenders in the household, 90% of household expenditures come from women and, 2. the largest voting block in this country are WOMEN. They can beat this drum all they want, it will be a lose, lose.
Karl Schuub
2:59 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Phil...count on an answer that makes no sense and in which they spin themselves into the floor trying to twist a way into illustrating how this is so very different.
HarfordLassie
3:19 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Karl, you just described Rush Limbaugh! :-)
Karl Schuub
3:35 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Nice try at diversion Ms. Joan...care to explain how this is so very different than the long list given of examples from the link of 11:36, Daily Beast, Kirsten Powers (see Phil Dirt). Want to explain how had you been blogging at that time those would have all received a public post by you, but at that time you weren't blogging; it's a timing thing right? Sheer coincidence - you would have been equally as outraged. Take any one of those examples and make a thread out of it...it's never too late. Make it your headline "Bill Maher finally goes over the top" and then tell us why the FCC needs to remove him from the airwaves for our own protection.
HarfordLassie
3:47 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Karl, to my knowledge Kirsten Powers is no different than Rush, an entertainer with an opinion. She is not a journalist or presenting "news".
Bill Maher is a comedian who is on HBO, which is not supported by advertisers and is not on the public airwaves. It is not regulated by the FCC.
If the question is "Is it equally disgusting?" the answer is yes.
HarfordLassie
4:00 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Also Karl, do you remember Bill Maher was kicked off ABC for saying the 9/11 terrorists weren't cowards?
Karl Schuub
3:56 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Nice try at diversion again...that lady is a liberal democrat who sometimes sits on panels for Fox News. She would be being honest...then again you would not. You want to explain to me how Bill Maher gets to say crude things because he's supposed to be funny while Rush Limbaugh cannot because why? Give me an explanation as to how the two are so different and try to do it without appearing to be an imbecile.
CB9678
8:34 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
1) Bill Maher is equally as crude
2) Bill Maher was fired for his previous crude comments by Disney and got hired by Time Warner for a premium cable channel on Friday night (not a wonderful time slot). Rush is on PUBLIC air waves and subject to the FCC.
3) Bill Maher is a comedian, Rush claims to be a news personality as it was claimed in a Zoogby poll, which he oftens cites as the most listened to news.
4) Bill Maher has only ever stated his crude opinion. Limbaugh flat out slandered her by saying she takes money for sex!
HarfordLassie
4:07 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
She's a commentator at best, not a journalist! A journalist is someone who collects facts and attempts to provide a non-biased report on a subject. Someone we haven't seen the likes of since probably Cronkite.
I have told you above the difference between local stations that operate on public airway frequencies assigned by the government and cable/satellite providers who do not broadcast over the public airways. Those local stations can ALSO be on cable networks, but cable/satellite stations cannot be broadcast on public airway frequencies.
HarfordLassie
4:08 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Bill Maher was already kicked off the public airways back in the early 2000's.
Karl Schuub
4:08 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Joan - your none so subtle suggestion that the FCC controls the airwaves and therefore should have the right to limit discourse to what's in the public good. Give me your list of whom you think should be removed from the airwaves? Is it just Rush Limbaugh? Do a minimal amount of research and try to come up with maybe 3 or 4 and tell us why...should be interesting.
HarfordLassie
4:16 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
I suggest you do some research Karl because you are obviously confused between public airways, cable and satellite and have a short memory of various "entertainers" that were forced off public airways in the past on all sides of the fence by public outcry and boycotts. Others have been fined by the FCC for indecency and a host of other issues under the rules and regulations. It's the reason you don't see partial nudity during "family" timeframes, why stations are required to give equal time to politicians during elections, why there were fines when Janet Jackson had her wardrobe malfunction during the Super Bowl and a host of other things. Your insults directed at me are not intimidating or gaining you any additional weight to your arguments.
CB9678
8:38 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
First they control what is decent. calling people prostitues is not decent and saying the American People are Johns!
Howard Stern, Oppie and Anthony, Bill Maher are all people removed from the public airwaves and have gone to Satilite/cable which is not regulated by the FCC. If that is his standard he wants to uphold than dump his AM and FM stations and go to XM!
Karl Schuub
4:10 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Let the record show 4:07...another attempt at diversion.
Karl Schuub
4:24 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Joan you clearly know nothing about Kirsten Powers either. She's really not "just a commentator". Why don't you just wiki her bio before you dismiss her analysis. Oh that's right I know why - it's because you don't like her analysis.
HarfordLassie
4:37 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Is there anything else you know about me Karl that I don't that you'd like to enlighten me about?
Karl, it comes down to this. Everybody has an opinion and all of them have the same value. Some may be based more in fact than fiction but they are still opinions. In the world of broadcasting, money talks and people walk when they are no longer an asset to stations, cable operators and advertisers. Will that happen to Rush? Time will tell. However, free speech does not guarantee anyone a pulpit on radio stations across the country and the world 5 days a week for 3 hours a day and get paid massively for it. If it does, please tell me where I can sign up for my free speech.
franking
5:35 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
From Brent Bozell
A couple of years ago, “comedian” Louis CK “joked” on the Opie and Anthony radio show about Palin coming to the Republican convention “holding a baby that just came out of her f-ing, disgusting [C-word], her f-ing retard-making [C-word]. I hate her more than anybody,” he said.
On Twitter, this “comedian” attacked Palin in 2011 as a “f—ing jackoff [C-word]-face jazzy wondergirl” who “has a family of Chinese poor people living in her [C-word] hole.”
Guess which event this same fellow is headlining in June? -- The Radio and Television Correspondents Dinner.
“We’re very excited about having Louis C.K. at the dinner,” said Jay McMichael of CNN, who chairs the Radio and Television Correspondents Association’s executive committee. “This is an evening you’ll want to experience. We’re shaking things up, showcasing the unexpected, and delivering lots of laughs.”
The Left honors their own pundits as “brilliant” for verbally assaulting women, then circulates petitions calling for advertisers to drop the Limbaugh show because his “anti-woman tirades are appalling.”
To the Left, this is simply an opportunity to put their attacks on religious liberty in a feminist frame, and an opportunity to try and shut down Limbaugh. It is all about censorship and hypocrisy.
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-bozell/2012/03/05/get-rush-campaign-isnt-about-what-he-said#ixzz1oTOgiB4d
bytheC
7:30 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Newsbusters blog/opinion sight, LOL. No more credible that Rushbo.
CB9678
8:41 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Aren't Opie and Anthony off the public airwaves for broadcastikng sex in a church?
Karl Schuub
6:16 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Very concise, much appreciated and certainly the outcome for this "comedian" is of no surprise to me. This whole thing was so clearly orchestrated and designed to provide talking points because Obama's hold on female voters is slipping. The lockstep left falls right in and parrots the same tired lines and could care less about the garganutan hypocrisy in ignoring horrendous comments and personal attacks on conservative women that have been celebrated for years. Are you kidding me? Whether you like Sarah Palin or not is irrelevant to the insane things that have been published about her to smear, disparage, embarrass and couldn't have been anything but an intent to destroy her personally and include her own innocent family in the same smear campaign. Horrible...yes, it's horrible the state of our public discourse, but two play this game and the left has made it their primary tool with the willing shield supplied by the main stream media.
CB9678
8:47 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
So who forced Rush to call her a prostitute and a s---? Are you saying he has no self control for what comes out of his own mouth?
1ke
7:09 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Real conservatives men, like the dashing gentlemen on parade here, would gladly cover the cost of coat hangers.
Real conservative women don't need contraception since spit doesn't make babies.
Real conservative children just take a hike when nobody wants them.
In real conservative relationships the act is just an act anyway--body stockings and body doubles.
Karl Schuub
7:21 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Seek help.
Christine
8:09 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
lol 1ke..... The Patch regulars are in rare form again on this topic.
Karl Schuub
8:36 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Let me clarify "Laugh out loud 1ke...many that post here have again added to the dialogue." Ms. Christine - so I'm to assume you believe that conservatives want women to use coat hangers applies here. Apparently you're grossed out by the idea of coat hangers, but yet Mr. Obama had signed onto extermination of infants who survive abortion. In otherwords, while a state senator last trimester abortions were supported by him to include the death of infants - the legislation in question would have allowed nurses to comfort the aborted infants into death. Are you kidding, are you freaking kidding...
PurpleNeons
8:37 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Karl..you should just turn tail and run.....every sentence you peck out on your keyboard just expands your ignorance.....Let me guess....you and old white male?
LOL
Joan running circles around you bubba....time to hit the road. there lil feller.
Christine
8:54 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Joan was your best friend when you were going on and on about feral cats...remember? Anyway, 1ke's comment was meant as sarcasm and yes, compared to your comments, Mr. Schuub it made me chuckle. I am your biggest fan, but I don't recall you speaking out for infants before. When was the last time a woman opened her legs to you and gave you a child? You are a lonely man, Mr. Schuub.
HarfordLassie
10:26 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
One thing is certain from the responses on this blog is that Rush is one of the most divisive figures in our culture and brings out the worst in some people.
HarfordLassie
10:31 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
And to think Rush says his "talent" is from God. Anyone else see the disconnect between Rush's words/behavior and God?
bytheC
7:54 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Teapublican's False Idol, that's what he means.
franking
10:46 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012
There is certainly a disconnect between his words and God. There always is when a person runs another person down. The only difference between him and many of his detractors is he apologized and stopped. Bill Maher tweeted- "Hate to defend #RushLimbaugh but he apologized, liberals looking bad not accepting. Also hate intimidation by sponsor pullout."
Apparently Maher, a foul mouthed funny man and self professed atheist, has more grace than much of the left wing.
Christine
10:56 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
You know the blogs in this forum bring out the worst in some people, don't you Joan? Thank you for bringing up this topic anyway. I personally would not refer to God, talent and Limbaugh in the same sentence...there is a disconnect.
Phil Dirt
1:19 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012
So, the bottom line is "You insulted one of us and we're not taking it anymore."
Too bad "us" doesn't mean "all women", but instead "women who agree with our political beliefs." That's pretty sad.
Otto Schmidlap
2:16 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Mzzzz Fluke a slut? Maybe, maybe not. Mzzzz Fluke a political whore? Most definitely.
bytheC
7:51 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012
If you're looking for political whores, one need look no further than the voice of the Teapublican party and their false idol, rushbo. This week rushbo is ranting against educated women. No wonder why the oxy addict is on wife #4.
1ke
7:10 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Otto can dive in now, talking sluts and whores. Hey, wait till you get a load of Otto, my favorite Troglodyte.
Hey, Otto send 'em the child love link you truck out from time to time. I mean, everybody here disagrees with you already. Ad homo-nem, right Otto? Stupid broads. huh? Hunh?
Karl Schuub
7:53 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Selective outrage is appalling.
HarfordLassie
9:56 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012
...and after 43 advertisers and counting have jumped ship-
"Meanwhile, a few companies are stepping up to support Limbaugh’s show: SeekingArrangement.com, a company that bills itself “the world’s largest sugar daddy and sugar baby dating website,” announced its decision to start advertising on Limbaugh’s show late Tuesday, while the CEO of Ashley Madison, an online dating service website, said on CNN Wednesday morning that he is “willing to step into the void left by other advertisers.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/73675.html#ixzz1oXNPwtgp
bytheC
10:34 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Ashely Madison is a dating website for people that want to cheat on their spouses. So much for those family values! There is a petition at the bottom of the page to keep up the pressure:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/07/1072229/-Rush-Limbaugh-loses-more-advertisers-but-denies-he-s-losing-nbsp-money?detail=hide
HarfordLassie
9:57 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Here's The Woman Rush Limbaugh Is Attacking Today; 'Totally Bizarre,' She Says
"Say you’re a conservative radio host who’s losing advertisers left and right for saying some deeply misinformed and misogynistic things about the lifestyle of a highly-educated single woman, and now you need to change the conversation. How do you do that? If you’re Rush Limbaugh, you do it by attacking a different woman on the basis of her singleness, youth and education.
Limbaugh spent the entire first hour of his program today discussing “The American Way of Eating,” a new book by journalist Tracie McMillan, who logged almost a year working low-paying jobs at Wal-Mart, Applebee’s and other places to learn about the food industry. Despite the backlash he’s faced for branding law student Sandra Fluke a “slut” and “prostitute,” Limbaugh didn’t shy away from the matter of McMillan’s sex. On the contrary, he referred to her as an “authorette” and attempted to tie her to a broader trend of “all these young single white women” who are threatening Americans’ freedoms."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2012/03/06/heres-the-woman-rush-limbaugh-is-attacking-today-totally-bizarre-she-says/
Look, it's another distraction from the economy!!!
HarfordLassie
11:18 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012
..and Rush tries to spin the advertiser exodus as it's them, the local stations, not us that are losing advertisers and it's just normal business as usual. I guess he doesn't get that those 600 stations PAY for airing his program and if advertisers are not there to support it on the local level, at the individual station, it is a loss for the station to air his program. Yes, that's business as usual and if he thinks stations will continue to pay for a program they can't sell advertising in, he is even stupider than he appears to be.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/03/07/clearing_up_misinformation_on_our_sponsors
HarfordLassie
12:17 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Did you know when Rush says he has 20 million daily listeners that it's a quote from 1993 and was made up?
Last year, Crain's New York Business reported that Rush Limbaugh's ratings were down 33 percent. The portable people meters have been expanding to different markets throughout these years (they didn't just replace all of the diaries instantly in 2007, it's taken a while). So, it's unclear how much Rush was hurt by the more accurate readings last year and how much people just stopped listening to him.
....
But Rush can easily prove me wrong. So, I'm issuing a challenge to him -- show us your ratings. He won't do it because he's embarrassed by them. He has never produced evidence of his ratings and he certainly won't do it now. In fact, I'll make a Mitt Romney like wager. I'll give him $10,000 if he can show us his 20 million listeners.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/rush-limbaugh-ratings_b_1320144.html
Phil Dirt
9:53 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Cenk Uygur! The guy has a show on Current TV! If his mom watched, it would double his audience. But she probably doesn't... some things even a mother can't take.
Karl Schuub
12:18 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
The leftist wet dream of driving Rush Limbaugh off the airwaves is just that - a leftist wet dream.
1ke
1:19 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Hey, Karl, that's what everybody said just before Death Valley Days went off the air.
And you-know-who was the host, even. http://bit.ly/xWWejG
And Limberg doesn't even have a head of hair like that...
1ke
1:23 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Joan, Mitt Romney makes that much money between going to bed and getting up in the middle of the night to pee.
HarfordLassie
1:28 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
This just in- 50 advertisers have walked. And there is now talk of asking the Pentagon to remove the show from AFN.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/03/all-ads-pulled-rush-limbaughs-show/49552/
Susan Smith
9:35 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Gee, Joan, you really should have a name for your column....maybe "H8 for Anyone Who Doesn't Agree with My Leftist Agenda" or "H8 for Republican/Conservatives". Additionally, I guess you haven't heard, Carbonite is taking a hit.
bytheC
10:00 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Gee, Susan, the majority of Americans care about their wives, sisters, friends, mothers etc. The "merchant of h8" will not silence them, nor will his misinformed followers who are motivated by fear and h8. Thank goodness for the internet! Reichtwing lies can be debunked in a heartbeat. What have they got if not for all their lies? (BTW, repeating those lies does not make them true, it just makes those repeating them a liar). You are losing this fight. Get over it.
franking
10:38 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Those concerned about their wives, mothers, sisters, friends (instead of being propaganda shills for the WH) would be more concerned with another entry on Patch, about young girls being strip searched by police and hauled to jail for exercising their constitutional rights. Fact is, whether you agree with Rush or not, he was simply a private citizen exercising his.
One of his advertisers has already tried to go back, and he sent them packing.
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/03/08/4323061/limbaugh-rebuffs-attempt-by-sleep.html
HarfordLassie
11:59 am on Friday, March 9, 2012
Reports about Limbaugh's Thursday program showed that 77 of the 86 spots that aired were "free public service announcements donated by the Ad Council." Additionally, seven ads were from companies "in the process of pulling their spots." This apparently left only two paid advertisements.
CB9678
1:29 pm on Friday, March 9, 2012
franking he has the right to his free speech and opinion. I also have my right to think and say he is a lieing sexist pig who is nothing more than a propaganda hot air ballon. His many advitisers and the increasing number of stations as well as musicians that have decided they want to remove their financial association as well as passive endorsement of him by allowing him to use their music for free also have that right. Eventually his show will cease to make a profit and will be dropped because it is not financially worth it and then he can buy his pills on the street!
bytheC
10:07 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
The "merchant of h8" already scrubbing up his website. No amount of scrubbing will every get that nasty man clean.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/03/rush-scrubs-demand-for-fluke-sex-tapes/49643/
HarfordLassie
10:07 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
What are you going to do when I blog about someone on the left that is just as bad as Rush? What will my hidden "agenda" be then? Mmmmmmmmm..... Actually I'm pretty amazed some people are defending someone who used their power and position to intentionally lie that "we" are paying for the medication and openly slander someone for what was definitely a "right wing agenda". It's kind of hypocritical that "conservatives" here seem to be ok with that.
Phil Dirt
1:15 am on Friday, March 9, 2012
I'll make sure I have my camera ready to take pictures of the flying pigs. Of course, it would be so easy to now write a "totally sincere" blog post about a liberal, but only you know if you would have done it without this discussion.
By the way, in an earlier response you stated, "how do you know I didn't express outrage then in other venues?" Could you please post links to these "other venues"? I'd really like to read your compositions on this subject.
Phil Dirt
1:20 am on Saturday, March 10, 2012
Just as I thought.
Pat
10:54 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
On the face of it, without begging the question or other diversion, what Mr Limbaugh said was crude, ugly and wrong. I would decry it no matter whose mouth it came out of. Those who defend it or dismiss it don't do there point of view any favors.. I have respect for people who debate the issues respectfully- which is possible. But, unfortunately, in our media circus society, negative attention is actively courted by many. While the spokespersons for various ideologies mud wrestle, serious issues and rational solutions are lost in the muck.
I support insurance funded contraceptives.To me, family planning is a responsible endeavor to be encouraged. It is a money saver for the insurance companies as well as for our society. And it is a proven abortion reducer. Throw in the fact that these medications are used to prevent other health issues making it good for businesses as it keeps employees healthy and productive. While there are folks who will have thoughtful reasons to disagree with me, I don't see where we can productively discuss the issue if name calling and lewd suggestions are acceptable responses.
Karl Schuub
8:19 am on Friday, March 9, 2012
That's all fine Pat; don't think anybody is saying contraception shouldn't be available...it is readily available and inexpensive. The question here is forcing a catholic university to subsidize an activity that is contrary to a core belief. If this phoney woman wanted to attend another university where no such conflict could exist she had every right. Seems just a bit disingenuous to with deliberation attend a university with stated policies and once there complain about the policy. This is a private university. The more we find out about what really happened here the more rotten the fish smells...
HarfordLassie
10:03 am on Friday, March 9, 2012
Karl, they university already offers it in their policies to their employees!! They do not offer it in the student policy. Another example of Cafeteria religion. Do as I say, not as I do.
HarfordLassie
11:22 am on Friday, March 9, 2012
Catholic Groups Fight Contraceptive Rule, But Many Already Offer Coverage
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2011/12/02/143022996/catholic-groups-fight-contraceptive-rule-but-many-already-offer-coverage
Pat
10:31 pm on Sunday, March 11, 2012
If I am not mistaken, that issue has already been resolved. Catholic institutions will not pay for contraception coverage. Instead the insurance companies will offer it to employees on request at no additional expense to the employer or the employee. This is a win win. Catholic institutions will not be contributing to BC coverage and employees who wish to make their own decisions in this regard will have equal access no matter their employer. Since many women- Catholic and non-Catholic work for these institutions, it allows them to make their own religious decision in this regard insuring freedom of religion. It Is a win for the Insurance companies as it is hugely less expensive than its alternatives. It is a win for the taxpayer because we will not be paying the tab for more children. It will be a win for the citizens as they will be provided with a readily available opportunity to be more responsible in their family planning.It also benefits men who, in partnership with women, want to be responsible parents. Frankly, I do not understand why this idea of the insurance companies providing such coverage for women is not applired regardless of employer. A broadly beneficial freebie - if you will.
Pat
10:31 pm on Sunday, March 11, 2012
Finally, I do not know where you get the information that this young woman is a phoney or disingenuous. I believe that we all should support her freedom of speech and her willingness to express her opinion. Many members of the Catholic church support contraception. They continue to work within their church for what they percieve to be positive change. I cannot fathom why they- or this young woman would put themselves in a position of being denigrated and villified if they were not sincere. Afterall they are not being handsomely paid, like Mr Limbaugh, to be spokespersons for a point of view. .
1ke
9:07 am on Friday, March 9, 2012
Does the private, Catholic university receive Federal funds that they are willing to forgo? Simple question. Hold the diatribe.
Susan Smith
10:14 pm on Friday, March 9, 2012
And again I say, show me proof the GU offers bc to their employees! In what article is this mentioned? If it is true why didn't Fluke or Pelosi or former WH employee Anita Dunn's agency who is repping Fluke scream it from the rooftops about GU's"hipocracy" in providing bc to its employees?! Cite your source!
HarfordLassie
8:54 am on Saturday, March 10, 2012
Susan. See the link above- Catholic Groups Fight Contraception Rule. You can also Google and find multiple articles.
Karl Schuub
10:20 am on Saturday, March 10, 2012
Joan...your totally not getting it. Some may offer by choice, others by policy and perhaps other by current state regulation. Maybe this is exactly why the issue now needs to be resolved. I assume you believe that religious liberty is something to be ignore...why do you hate religion? Why do you believe they have no right to a consistency in belief and practice? Do you truly believe these women (students) who claim a birth control cost of less than $10/month will mean the difference between that or starvation are real? I would submit to you if you think that be the case then you are foolish...
HarfordLassie
10:39 am on Saturday, March 10, 2012
No Karl. You are not getting it. Birth control pills are nothing more than hormone pills that are used for a number of medical conditions other than contraception. This is not about religious freedom as churches were always exempt, always. We each have the freedom to use our religious freedom to not use such a drug for contraception but that doesnt give an employer the right to make medical choices for us. It is also discriminatory to give those benefits to others and deny them to some, or to allow men to get Viagra covered but not a medication for women.
Phil Dirt
5:29 pm on Saturday, March 10, 2012
This is nothing but a red herring. They are and have been available through insurance for medical conditions other than contraception, like Viagra. The drug used for prostate issues, Proscar, is covered by insurance but the same drug labeled as Propecia for hair restoration in men is not.
So how is this different, and where is your outrage over it?
Karl Schuub
3:51 pm on Saturday, March 10, 2012
Are you actually deluding yourself into a belief that somebody out there can't get birth control? Because the church won't give it to them doesn't mean there aren't literally hundreds of other programs that would hook them up as needed. The Viagra issue is a diversion as it is not about contraception - that's the issue here.
HarfordLassie
7:21 pm on Saturday, March 10, 2012
Karl. Georgetown is not a church. They already provide the coverage fog their employees but not the student policy
Phil did you read the entire list of medications this mandate covered? It was not only birth control for women
You have both gotten so far off base of the topic which is whether or not Rush went too far calling this young woman he didn't know a slut and prostitute.
You have both been given a number of links to facts about this but are choosing to ignore them and continue to make the same incorrect assertions over and over. That reminds me of exactly what Rush does.
Phil Dirt
9:36 pm on Saturday, March 10, 2012
Yes, your topic was whether or not Rush went too far calling this woman a prostitute (yes, he did), and my topic in response was whether or not you are a one-sided hypocrite for not also speaking out when NOW, Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, Bill Maher, Matt Taibbi, and Ed Schultz made equally disgusting comments about women (yes, you are).
The only logical conclusion to be drawn is that you are not pro-women, you are anti-conservative. It must be hard living with this blind hatred for a politcal view that is stronger than your sense of fairness and support for all women.
HarfordLassie
9:44 pm on Saturday, March 10, 2012
Oh Phil, don't give up your day job unless it's as a a fortune teller. Have a good night.
HarfordLassie
11:21 pm on Saturday, March 10, 2012
98 Major Advertisers dump Limbaugh.
http://thinkprogress.org/media/2012/03/10/442048/breaking-98-major-advertisers-dump-rush-limbaugh/?mobile=wp
Karl Schuub
9:50 am on Sunday, March 11, 2012
Joan...this latest post is either completely misleading or is evidence of a total lack of understanding as to how advertising usually works. There may indeed be 98 companies out there who have indicated they don't want to be on Rush's program. However the entire 98 of them may have never been on his program to begin with. Advertising is sold in bundles in and around the locales where the radio stations are located or where Rush might broadcast in syndication. Hate to burst your bubble but your apparent glee is a bit premature; 98 companies nationwide and in the thousands of local markets is a drop in the bucket.
Karl Schuub
9:54 am on Sunday, March 11, 2012
I might also add you don't apparently read for content on your very own link. The 98 companies in question didn't dump Limbaugh they've just indicated in their advertising bundled purchases (please read other post helping instruct you as to how advertising works), that they prefer to avoid controversial programming...that wish may have been long standing and indicated years ago. It's not even specific to Rush Limbaugh. You're too funny....
Karl Schuub
9:45 am on Sunday, March 11, 2012
Joan...you think you're a bit obsessed? Just maybe a little...
HarfordLassie
10:42 am on Sunday, March 11, 2012
Actually I'm fascinated by those trying to spin away or excuse the words and actions of Limbaugh regarding this issue instead of condemning them. Sometimes issues are bigger than party and just plain wrong.
Phil Dirt
10:27 pm on Sunday, March 11, 2012
Bigger than party? When, as I posted above, you don't give a damn when liberals use much more vicious language against women? Are you now trying to fool yourself?
Karl Schuub
12:05 pm on Sunday, March 11, 2012
Joan...so then you're not denying that link and the statement that 98 company's have dumped advertising on Rush's program is indeed a fraudulent statement? You're caught face it. You know what they say in court when you can impeace a part of anyone's testimony you must impeace it in it's entirety because none of it can be trusted.
CB9678
12:41 pm on Sunday, March 11, 2012
Bottom line on thursday he had 5 minutes of dead air time and ran mostly unpaid public service announcements. he only had 2 spots which where paid for and are not trying to actively get them removed and one was the Romney SUper PAC! Maybe some will come back when this settles but either way if it keeps up longer his show will lose money and more markets will dump his sindication deal. Some companies don't want to be run during the local ad time of the sindicate!
HarfordLassie
5:59 pm on Sunday, March 11, 2012
The FCC takes such complaints into consideration when stations file for license renewal. For local listeners near a station that carries Limbaugh's show, there is plenty of evidence to bring to the FCC that their station isn't carrying out its public interest obligation. Complaints can be registered under the broadcast category of the FCC website: http://www.fcc.gov/complaints
This isn't political. While we disagree with Limbaugh's politics, what's at stake is the fallout of a society tolerating toxic, hate-inciting speech. For 20 years, Limbaugh has hidden behind the First Amendment, or else claimed he's really "doing humor" or "entertainment." He is indeed constitutionally entitled to his opinions, but he is not constitutionally entitled to the people's airways.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/10/opinion/fonda-morgan-steinem-limbaugh/index.html
Karl Schuub
7:49 am on Monday, March 12, 2012
Joan...you're a speech natzi, and not unwillingly to use false statements and false information to support whatever your cause is and that makes you a willing, unthinking, and uniformed foot soldier who would trample all our rights if given the opportunity if it meant fulfilling an agenda. What's at stake my dear is free speech.
HarfordLassie
10:20 am on Monday, March 12, 2012
The right to freedom of expression is a human right under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights & recognized in international human rights law in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). Article 19 of the ICCPR states that "[e]veryone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference" and "everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice". Article 19 goes on to say that the exercise of these rights carries "special duties and responsibilities" & may "therefore be subject to certain restrictions" when necessary "[f]or respect of the rights or reputation of others" or "[f]or the protection of national security or of public order (order public), or of public health or morals".[1][2]
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According to the Freedom Forum Organization, legal systems, & society at large, recognize limits on the freedom of speech, particularly when freedom of speech conflicts with other values or rights.[40] Limitations to freedom of speech may follow the "harm principle" or the "offense principle", for example in the case of pornography, religious belief or hate speech. Limitations to freedom of speech may occur through legal sanction or social disapprobation, or both.[41]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech
Karl Schuub
10:43 am on Monday, March 12, 2012
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is not a recognized legal document here in the US. We have a constitution; you might prefer this other "thing" over our constitution as written by the founders of this country but it is the law of the land. That document as has been defined and adopted protects free speech from people just like you. As I said and you have so aptly again illustrated...you indeed are a scary little speech natzi who apparently would like to be able to define what you think is acceptable because you are so self-indulgent and self-limiting that you can't fathom there are those out there that don't agree with you.
HarfordLassie
10:57 am on Monday, March 12, 2012
OK Karl, check out the FCC, doesn't change anything
http://www.fcc.gov/guides/obscenity-indecency-and-profanity
AG
11:42 am on Monday, March 12, 2012
I read it. I don't see anything in the policy forbidding rude and obnoxious speech. Sounds like a problem for the free market to solve, not the government.
CB9678
12:19 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
The discussion of prostitution does not generally meet the standard of acceptable broadcast. Also keep in mind the station is to blame. THis is why stations are allowed to drop his show now even though they have a syndication contract. They have cause to do so.
AG
1:24 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
@CB9678 - Nonsense. The discussion of prostitution does not violate any such standards. If that were true, we would be talking about half of the crime dramas on TV instead of Limbaugh. Perhaps you have some facts to back up your assertion
HarfordLassie
7:18 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
I think a case could be made that it's hate speech.
Karl Schuub
12:08 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
Again Joan...you just don't get it. I think what Rush Limbaugh said was crude, but I don't consider it profane or indecent. You might however, and that's exactly why we have a constitution that limits your natzi like tendencies to want to silence others. Your hopes and prayers regarding an FCC takeover of the airwaves notwithstanding.
HarfordLassie
12:33 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
Karl, your continued assertions that the FCC doesn't already own the public airwaves is totally false. It's been this way for close to a century. I think you keep confusing cable and satellite with actual airwaves/frequencies/spectrum. The FCC set the standards and if they get enough complaints, or feel the verbiage is worth fines or other punishment, they will take action. The FCC will not bar Rush Limbaugh from the public airwaves, but they can take action against stations that originate the show and it could make it not worth their time and money to continue airing his program. If the stations want to ignore fines and sanctions and continue to allow such statements from Rush, those stations could in fact lose their licenses.
Karl Schuub
1:03 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
FCC does set standards, but let's not pretend setting standards and what you'd like to see are one and the same. I know what the Fairness Doctrine is and I also know that Gloria Allred, Gloria Steinham, Jane Fonda and a host of other like minded shrills have never been successful at limiting conservative radio and are now calling for the federal government to step in and remove a broadcasting license basically because they'd like to limit conservative radio which has been wildly successful and in which the left has never earned the same level of success. I wouldn't be so proud of being included in a like-minded group that includes Gloria Allred.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/10/fccs-new-hire-targeted-conservative-radio-stations-writings/
HarfordLassie
1:17 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
Please Karl, not FAUX "news". There is no way anything will be limited as long as there are cable and satellite stations. Anything goes there- hate speech, sex, violence- you name it. The Fairness Doctrine was eliminated in August of 2011. The courts reasoned that the scarcity of the broadcast spectrum, which limited the opportunity for access to the airwaves, created a need for the Doctrine. However, the proliferation of cable television, multiple channels within cable, public-access channels, and the Internet have eroded this argument, since there are plenty of places for ordinary individuals to make public comments on controversial issues at low or no cost.
AG
1:32 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
@Joan - I love it "Faux News." When liberals lose, they always resort to name calling. You are as crazy as Limbaugh, just not as rude.
And, Fox has more viewers than the other stations, Fox has more opposing views than the other stations (Or were Lou Dobbs, Wm F Buckley, John Stossel and Juan Williams kicked off for their good looks?).
Fox has plenty of liberals on their shows. CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS will not tolerate anyone who violates their "Group Think" mentality. They will brand a non-group think commentator as "extreme" or "outside the main stream." This is regardless of what the "main stream" is. That is why they are losing viewers at a tremendous rate.
HarfordLassie
3:10 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
Hi AG, should we assume that you are also have something to say about Karl's continue use of "nazi"??
AG
3:44 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
Inappropriate. The Nazi's have lot's of violence and abuse in their history. I would have preferred he used something a less "emotional." But that is a good word to examine. You will seldom see a conservative use this word against a liberal. But liberals frequently use it against conservatives. Look how often Geo Bush was called a Nazi or a Chimp. Pick a liberal/progressive president where similar terms ad hominem attacks were used.
This is despite that fact that most conservatives believe in smaller government and more personal freedom. Whereas liberals, progressives, communists, nazis and socialists all stress the need for more government control.
I point to your endorsement of having the Government solve your Rush Limbaugh problem. But you can easily solve it yourself by turning off your radio. But I believe you fundamentally think you know what is better for everyone else, and the Government should restrict the rights of others to enforce what you know is best.
HarfordLassie
4:06 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
Nope, the public and marketplace will decide Rush's fate, whether it be to complaints to the FCC or to advertisers. It was the downfall of many others including Imus, Maher, Beck, Olbermann and more. Time will tell in this area.
I would take on your comments about conservatives wanting more personal freedom with a long laundry list of recent legislation that's been introduced by republicans in the past 2 years to limit choice and personal freedom but that's not the issue here. This is about Rush Limbaugh and whether or not he has reached that same place of public disgust as the others that are no longer on the public airwaves. Regardless of your political leanings, anyone who supports calling a private citizen a slut and a prostitute and demanding they put sex videos online because they don't agree with their political views is as low as Rush IMO.
AG
4:13 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
The question is not whether I support Rush. The question is whether I want the government, using its typical heavy handed style, to fix it.
If Rush is too disgusting for the American people, they will stop listening. I stopped a long time ago. But I don't want the government to stop Limbaugh, I want the free market to stop him.
AG
4:10 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
What you are saying is true about the entrenched Republicans. While the Democrats really are cornering the market on denying personal liberty, the entrenched Republicans are not that far behind.
I think that is why you are seeing little support for Romney from real conservatives, and the fanatic support for Ron Paul.
HarfordLassie
4:30 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
AG, the government can't stop Limbaugh. They can't even cancel his show. They can fine the station that originates his show, and others that carry it, at which point the stations can appeal the ruling, or decide the cost of keeping Limbaugh on the air is bad for business. 191 advertisers across all the stations that air his show have expressed that they do not want their ads in his show. Without advertising revenue to support the financial cost of his show, the free market will take over and put something else in it's place. That's a major financial hit to any station.
It's the station that holds the responsibility for what they are sending across public airwaves, not Limbaugh. The station could cease to exist and Limbaugh can still find outlets on cable/satellite for his "free speech" that are not regulated by the FCC. History shows us that even being on those outlets is no guarantee a show won't be dumped as a liability of doing business. Unless it's a pay channel like HBO, there are still advertisers to pay the bills.. Rush's free speech is no more protected than yours or mine but none of us is entitled to a 3 hour window of broadcast airtime to voice our opinions.
AG
4:46 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
If advertisers flee and that forces Limbaugh off the air, that is the free market. This is the way it should be.
You are stating you know whats best for others, and you want the government to enforce your will on others.
HarfordLassie
5:32 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
Nope, wrong again. What I am stating is there are rules and regulations on all stations that have been assigned a frequency for broadcasting completely free on the public airwaves, with the understanding they operate within those rules and regulations.
I think people get tripped up on what is public airwaves versus cable, satellite or even Internet stations. If you are riding down the road and can pick up a local station on your radio without going through a service like Sirius, it's more than likely operating on public airwaves. WCBM (680). WBAL (1090) locally are a couple examples of conservative radio stations that use the public airwaves. They may also stream their broadcasts online or on a cable/satellite system, but they are licensed as a local station broadcasting on public airwaves.. These rules are nothing new. They cover things like family hour in prime when certain content cannot air on TV, the amount of advertising that can run in kids programs, equal time for actual political ads and more. They have relaxed a lot of the earlier restrictions but stations still have a 5 second delay for inappropriate language and a split second shot of a wardrobe malfunction can levy heavy fines. In that vein, Rush's comments could be cited and the stations fined. It ultimately comes down to the station and how much risk/cost they are willing to take to keep him on the air. Advertisers care about people that buy their products, not Limbaugh.
AG
5:55 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
AND YOU WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Government, Government, Government, Government, Government, Government, Government, Government, Government, Government, Government.
HarfordLassie
6:12 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
If it violates the current rules and regulations, yes, action should be taken, but that's not my call. My own personal belief is the power of the people and the marketplace have more of an affect on the outcome than anything else.
AG
6:31 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
They why are you advocating Government action. If you really believed your second sentence you would be talking about why the FCC has too many rules and we need to reduce the bureacracy
HarfordLassie
6:57 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
I think there is a place for rules and regulations for extremes in behavior/language on public airwaves, and the current ones are minimal. Should the FCC deem Rush's comments fall outside those rules and regulations they will cite the station and issue fines. It's no different than other times they have fined stations for other violations. Using the public airwaves is a privilege, not a right. There are only so many broadcast frequencies to go around and a lot of other companies would love to have that frequency to broadcast their "free speech" and make a lot of $$$ like the ones that have them do now. They are a valuable commodity.
These stations also make up the EBS system for use in the event of a threat on the country. When Internet, cable and phones went down on 9/11, those public airwaves stations continued to broadcast, and are the only government link to inform the public of emergency instructions.
I am much more concerned with the Patriot Act which allows the feds to come into my home at any time and monitor anything I personally do on the net in the name of "security". Likewise the TSA's invasive security checks take away the right to being innocent until proven guilty. Add to that the new legislation that we can be detained at any time for any length of time without trial as a possible "terrorists" and you have a huge invasion on our rights and privacy. There are much bigger issues than whether or not Rush Limbaugh gets cited by the FCC.
Karl Schuub
7:35 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
No way to have a government entity act as the speech police and have it not end up being political. If you don't see that you're an idiot.
HarfordLassie
7:44 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
Here's a list of all of the fines levied by the FCC for indecency. Using your argument most are "free speech"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/business/graphics/web-fcc970.html
HarfordLassie
7:46 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
Here are some other fines-
http://www.broadcastlawblog.com/articles/fcc-fines/
Christine
10:42 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
Wasn't George Bush president when FCC had to step in because of a wardrobe malfunction? Nipples don't speak, but apparently they are more offensive than calling a person a slut and a prostitute. I do not like Ms. Joan, but I'll have to side with her on this one. Luckily we have the Bel Air Patch where people like Karl Schuub can call someone they disagree with a 'natzi' and an 'idiot' without being censored.
Karl Schuub
8:13 am on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
Being a "speech natzi" isn't exactly the same as being a natzi...most people understand that meaning in it's context and to your other claim I never called anyone an idiot in particular; that statement wasn't a tag onto anybody else's statement. Let's not make it up as we go along because that would be hyperbole not grounded in actual intent or actual statement. My goodness, I didn't claim I didn't like someone, only that I don't like someone's beliefs. You tell me which is worse?
Christine
1:18 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
Karl, you ignorant slut...
HarfordLassie
2:35 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
Christine, I'm not sure Karl will get teh SNL reference
Karl Schuub
2:44 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
Wow Christine...that's pretty darn amazing. If you think I'm replying in kind you're dead wrong. This isn't about agreeing with Rush Limbaugh nor thinking it's OK to call someone a slut but being very much against a knee-jerk leftist tendency to demand those with whom they disagree be silenced. I do hope the administrators notice your charming pet name as you see I would be much different than you and would not suggest you be silenced in a public forum regardless of how childish and ill suited your language may be.
Christine
9:23 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
You were right, Joan. Karl did not get the cultural reference. Come on, that was classic SNL. Glad I didn't call him a pompous ass. Sorry, you don't get it Karl and sorry Joan I said I didn't like you. I did not like some of your previous blogs but I don't know you in person, so I may actually like you if I ever met you. Who knows....
HarfordLassie
10:53 am on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
Interesting commentary about Rush, how his show is positioned, advertiser exodus and 2 week National ad suspension. Something for everyone.
http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2012/03/13/video-the-last-word-lawrence-odonnell-on-national-advertisers-suspending-ads-on-rush/
AG
1:47 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
This whole thing is about political mudslinging
http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/10/o%E2%80%99reilly-sandra-flukes-boyfriend-son-of-democratic-stalwart-william-mutterperl/
HarfordLassie
2:34 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
Thanks for the opinion piece AG. It is interesting but none of it excuses Rush Limbaugh's behavior and words. The only person responsible for them is Rush.
Phil Dirt
9:15 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
So, how can she afford all of her travels around the country blaring her story if she can't afford contraception? And why isn't this 'law student' actually attending classes at her law school?
Nah, this whole stunt of hers couldn't possibly have been orchestrated by the Democrats. Nothing to see here, move along.
Christine
10:58 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
Are you in favor of denying birth control to women, Mr. Dirt?
Phil Dirt
11:15 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
No, every man and woman should have the right to purchase birth control or, if they can't afford it, to receive it from a clinic.
Christine
12:31 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
Do you think Ms. Sandra Fluke is a slut and a prostitute?
Phil Dirt
3:02 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
No, i don't think she is a slut or a prostitute, nor do I think she is simply a naive student who can't afford contraceptives. I think she is a 30 year old political activist with an agenda. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
j johnson (formerly jj)
11:57 am on Monday, March 19, 2012
Do you think she got the Sienfeld reference?
Christine
12:35 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012
jj, that was days ago. Where have you been? I got Phil's Seinfeld reference and appreciated it (-:
btw - This thread is over. Move on to the next topic.